they are not just mad at president barack obama and his administration, they're mad at democrats and they're mad at incumbent republicans. and so i think it is a fascinating change in our political life to see this kind of movement gain such momentum and strength and this is good. people want to see this. but at the same time, this movement doesn't become a real force until it starts to talk to the issues. i want to cut spending. i want to have lower tackxes, b how do you do that? you can't just have slogans or catchy phrases. you have to have an agenda. if it's going to incorporate the tea party efforts in it, it has to come up with an agenda the american people can see, touch and believe in and actually believe in. >> it was called a fad, akin to what ross perot was advocating back in 1992. do you see it that way? >> it may well be a fad unless it converts itself from a movement into something that is a real political organization that takes stands on positions. right now, what do they really believe in? we all believe in the constitution. we all want lower taxes, less spending, lo